The Hunt for the Cranberries in Moby-Dick, An Adventure Story

Sometimes one just can’t get to the bottom of where a misquotation began. This might be one of those times, although it isn’t for lack of trying to find that bottom. This story begins with a phone call from an author who wanted to use a quote from Moby-Dick in a book she is writing. Her hunch was that the quotation was not from Moby-Dick, and wanted to know if we could help.

So I started with Project Gutenberg (a digital library of free ebooks.) I brought up the text of Moby-Dick, and did a quick search for the word cranberries as that was the most distinguishing word, in the possibly Melville quotation. The quotation in question is:

“Go out with the crazy Captain Ahab? Never! He flat refused to take cranberries aboard. A man could get scurvy, or worse, whaling with the likes of ‘im.”

No indication in Project Gutenberg that the word cranberries ever existed in the text (or scurvy or ‘im for that matter.) I did some more searching on the web, and came to an article by Steven Raichlen (Writer, author, and host of BBQ University and Primal Grill on PBS) that was published by the Los Angeles Times in 1989. That article is called “Humble Cranberry a Big Dollar Industry” and, yes, has the same quotation, except with the word “him” instead of “’im” and a period instead of an exclamation point. This was the oldest article I could find.  I tried to contact Steven Raichlen via twitter with no luck, but I did get a response from another twitter account.  @DicktheGame, which is the twitter account run by the creator of a card game based on Moby-Dick, tweeted to us:

“@falpublib @sraichlen The only berries mentioned in Moby-Dick are straw- (ch. 87), black- (ch. 99), and mul- (ch. 133).”

This seemed like more evidence that the quote was not written by Melville. So who might write such a quote? I kept searching for other places the quotation had been used, and came across Rooted in America: foodlore of popular fruits and vegetables edited by David Scofield Wilson and Angus Kress Gillespie (published in 1999). At last! A citation! (Almost as good as finding a white whale.) The citation reads in its entirety: “Cranberry World plaque, Plymouth, Mass.”

And thus I began investigating Cranberry World in Plymouth. As it turns out Cranberry World closed in 2001, and according to an article in South Coast Today, was moved to Edaville Railroad in Carver. While investigating the origins of Cranberry World, I discovered (thanks to the amazing Internet Archive) the wonderful Cranberries: the national cranberry magazine, which had several articles about title Cranberry World.  However, no mention of Moby-Dick.

As I kept searching for the origins of this quote, I kept finding other books that cited the quotation as a passage from Moby-Dick. In Never Eat Your Heart Out by Judith Moore (published in 1997) I found this:

“(Later, talking to a well-read friend about cranberries, I learned that Melville mentions them in Moby-Dick: “Go out with that crazy Captain Ahab? Never! He flat refused to take cranberries aboard. A man could get scurvy, or worse, whaling with the likes of ‘im.”) No bibliography, no citation, no footnote.

In 2002, Nancy Cappelloni in her book Cranberry Cooking For All Seasons wrote:

“Before long, cranberries were being loaded aboard ships embarking on long voyages. It was a staple item for American whaling and clipper ships. In Herman Melville’s classic Moby-Dick, a Nantucket seamen (i.e.) parlays the significance of cranberries to the inexperienced Ishmael: “Go out with that crazy Captain Ahab? Never! He flat refused to take cranberries aboard. A man could get scurvy, or worse, whaling with the likes of ‘im.”

Moving onward, in 2012, Robert S. Cox and Jacob Walker wrote a book called Massachusetts Cranberry Culture: a history from bog to table. They wrote:

“Carried aboard ship as a preventive against scurvy, the sailors themselves helped spread a taste for the favored fruit. It is not coincidental that one of the indicators of Captain Ahab’s addled state of mind in Herman Melville’s Moby Dick was his refusal to take stores of the fruit aboard. ‘Go out with that crazy captain Ahab?’ one whaler exclaimed. ‘Never! He flat refused to take cranberries aboard. A man could get scurvy, or worse, whaling with the likes of ‘im.’ Like a good Windsor chair or wicked bottle of rum, cranberries spoke of New England, and in good New England fashion they came off not as a luxury or decadent delicacy but as a tart and useful thing.”

In 2014 the National Geographic blog “The Plate” wrote an article by Rebecca Rupp called Bitter Berries: the Historic Battle for Cranberry Power Bars, and yes they too repeat this so-called Melville quotation!  Adding: “They [cranberries] were popular enough among sailors for lack of cranberries to be cause for complaint.”

And one last example, from a book published by Rowman & Littlefield in 2015, and called The Carrot Purple and Other Curious Stories of the Food We Eat by Joel S. Denker.

“A store of cranberries was considered essential for sea journeys. Kept in barrels of spring water, they were eaten to prevent scurvy. In Melville’s Moby-Dick, a sailor was angered by Captain Ahab’s objection to carrying them on his ship: ‘Go out with the crazy Captain Ahab? Never! He flat refused to take cranberries aboard. A man could get scurvy, or worse, sailing with the likes of ‘im.”

Another reference librarian, who has been helping with the investigation, did get a response from Steven Raichlen, via his webpage, who responded: “Thanks for writing. Sorry, I don’t have that reference offhand.  I may have gotten it from a secondary source.” An inquiry to the Ocean Spray Company has yet to get a response, although I am still hopeful they will find a mention of the guy that got the idea to misquote Melville somewhere in their company archives. I have been told that Ocean Spray no longer has a librarian or an archivist anymore (which breaks my heart for a whole variety of reasons.)

The author who began this question contacted the New Bedford Whaling Museum, and their senior maritime historian thought that there was some possibility that the quotation came from some spurious edition of Moby-Dick. Thus, I sent a note off to Melville scholar, Thomas Tanselle, to see if he might have ever come across this quotation somewhere other than on a plaque in Cranberry World. Much to my delight, Mr. Tanselle replied, and writes:

“I think you must be right that this quote was made up by Ocean Spray. It certainly isn’t in Moby-Dick. And while some editions of the book are less reliable textually than others, I can’t imagine that this line got into any of them.”

The one thing I am sure of is that Edaville USA opens on May 28th this year, and I am hoping to be there and discover that the Cranberry Museum is still there and still featuring the quotation on a plaque! What advertising copywriter wouldn’t want their product mentioned in Moby-Dick?! In the meantime, if you are planning to write another book or article about cranberries, please don’t credit Melville with this cranberry quote!

If you have any photographs of the Cranberry Museum plaque, please let me know! I would love to see it! You can reach me at info@falmouthpubliclibrary.org.

12 April 2016

I have an update, and an answer from Ocean Spray!

They write: “Unfortunately, we were unable to find a picture of the actual plaque. However, we were able to find a page with the quote you are looking for. It is below.

‘Go out with that crazy captain Ahab? Never! He flat refused to take cranberries aboard. A man could get scurvy, or worse, whaling with the

likes of ‘im.’ —The American Whaleman.”

However, no author and no page number were given. So I found a digital copy of The American Whaleman by Elmo Paul Hohman, published in 1894, and searched the text. No cranberries, although quite a bit on Moby-Dick and even mention of scurvy. I wrote back to Ocean Spray to see if they had an author or a page number, and the response I got was: “Yes, it is from the book you mentioned, but unfortunately, we do not know the page number that it was on.” Mind you, I didn’t say the quote was from that book, I asked them what book the quote was from. So while I am glad to have heard from Ocean Spray, I still can’t say I have gotten to the bottom of the mystery.

Oh, and I was just at the Public Library Association Conference, and did have a chat with the Rowman & Littlefield representatives. They tell me that they will notify the author, and should the book go into a second printing, it is possible the error will be corrected!

Theater Books on The Point!

Today Mindy Todd, Pamela Wills, and I talked about books having to do with the theater. We suspect many of you were in your gardens, enjoying this glorious morning, so if you missed the show this morning, you can always listen online! It will also be rebroadcast this evening at 7:00 PM on WCAI. So many books, and so little time! You will see in the below lists lots of titles for which we had no time this morning, but are well worth seeking out. There are so many great books about the theater!

Jill’s Picks

Suspended Worlds: Historic Theater Scenery in Northern New England by Christine Hadsel

The Best Plays of 1921 – 1922 and the Year Book of the Drama in America edited by Burns Mantle

Sister Carrie by Theodore Dreiser

The Garrick Year by Margaret Drabble (available via the Commonwealth Catalog)

The Rehearsal by Eleanor Catton

Summer Stock: an American Theatrical Phenomenon by Martha Schmoyer LoMonaco

Finishing the Hat by Stephen Sondheim

Shakespeare in America: an anthology from the revolution to now edited by James Shapiro

Not Enough Time For:

Edward Gorey Plays Cape Cod by Carol Verburg

The Flick by Annie Baker (and there is a great article about The Flick and the pleasure of reading plays aloud on Slate by Dan Kois.)

Joy Ride: show people and their shows by John Lahr

Curtain Up: Agatha Christie a life in the theatre by Julius Green (mentions the Vineyard Gazette & The Martha’s Vineyard Playhouse)

Sarah: the life of Sarah Bernhardt by Robert Gottlieb

The American Stage: writing on theater from Washington Irving to Tony Kushner

The Secret Life of the American Musical: how Broadway shows are built by Jack Viertel

Children’s Picture Books

Amandina by Sergio Ruzzier

Rifka Takes a Bow by Betty Rosenberg Perlov with illustrations by Cosei Kawa

The Boy, The Bear, The Baron, The Bard by Gregory Rogers

Pamela’s Picks

Razzle Dazzle: the battle for Broadway by Michael Riedel

Alexander Hamilton: American by Richard Brookhiser

Oz: the complete collection by L. Frank Baum

Anything by Gregory Maguire beginning with Wicked: the life and times of the wicked witch of the west

Les Misérables. (the film) And there is a book too, by Victor Hugo!

Survivor Stories on The Point

Our topic today was books about surviving in nature, from hurricanes to plane crashes to boat accidents to ice in the Arctic. Wow! Thanks for all the many calls and e-mails and the many book suggestions that we got this morning on The Point! Mindy, Vicky, and I were delighted to have so many great suggestions! Here is the complete book list, including titles that we didn’t have time for, but which we had in the studio with us. Miss the show? You can listen tonight at 7 PM on WCAI or listen online!

Mindy’s Picks

81 Days Below Zero by Brian Murphy

Anything by Michael Tougias

Vicky’s Picks

Appalachian Trail

*Lost on a Mountain in Maine by Donn Fendler

*Lost Trail: Nine Days Alone in the Wilderness by Donn Fendler – graphic novel based on the book.

*A Walk in the Woods: Rediscovering America on the Appalachian Trail by Bill Bryson. 

New England and at sea:

*A Wind to Shake the World: The Story of the 1938 Hurricane by Everett S. Allen

*In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex by Nathaniel Philbrick. 

The Perfect Storm: A True Story of Men Against the Sea by Sebastian Junger

The Finest Hours: The True Story of the U.S. Coast Guard’s Most Daring Sea Rescue by Michael Tougias. 

*Adrift: 76 Days Lost at Sea by Steven Callahan

*Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage by Alfred Lansing. 

South America:

Alive: The Story of the Andes Survivors by Piers Paul Read

*Deep Down Dark: The Untold Stories of 33 Men Buried in a Chilean Mine, and the Miracle that Set Them Free by Hector Tobar. 

The Lost City of Z: A Tale of Deadly Obsession in the Amazon by David Grann. 

Other Faraway Places:

*Tin Ticket: The Heroic Journey of Australia’s Convict Women by Deborah J. Swiss. 

Into Thin Air: A Personal Account of the Mt. Everest Disaster by Jon Krakauer

The Long Walk: the True Story of a Trek to Freedom by Slavomir Rawicz

Fiction: 

Breaking Wild by Diane Les Becquets

Two if by Sea by Jacquelyn Mitchard

Jill’s Picks

The Voyage of the Narwhal by Andrea Barrett

The Hurricane by Charles Nordhoff and James Norman Hall

Adrift: seventy-six days lost at sea by Steven Callahan

Down Around Midnight: a memoir of crash and survival by Robert Sabbag

Hatchet by Gary Paulsen

The Donner Party by George Keithley

Donner Dinner Party by Nathan Hale

The Real Story: a guide to nonfiction reading interests by Sarah Statz Cords

Not Enough Time For

Savage Summit: the true stories of the first five women who climbed K2 by Jennifer Jordan

Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs with an introduction by Thomas Mallon

Tom Brown’s Field Guide: wilderness survival by Tom Brown, Jr., with Brandt Morgan

The Ultimate Survival Manual: 333 skills that will get you out alive by Rich Johnson

Alive: the story of the Andes survivors by Piers Paul Read

Listener Picks

Papillon by Henri Charrière

Isaac’s Storm by Eric Larson

Salt to the Sea by Ruta Sepetys

Lost in the Yellowstone by Truman Everts

No Picnic on Mount Kenya by Felice Benuzzi

One Hundred and Four Horses by Mandy Retzlaff

White Waters and Black by Gordon MacCreagh

Boxcar Children by Gertrude Chandler Warner

Maps, Fictional & Real on the Point!

I had a very fun morning on The Point with Mindy Todd and special guest Chris Polloni, retired information specialist from the U. S. Geological Survey in Woods Hole. Thanks so much for your calls and e-mails. If you missed it, you can listen online!

Chris’s Picks

The Illustrated Longitude by Dava Sobel and William J.H. Andrewes

Infinite Perspective: two thousand years of three dimensional mapmaking by Brian Ambroziak

Maps and Memes: Redrawing Culture, Place and Identity in indigenous Communities by Gwilym Lucas Eades

The Art of Illustrated Maps: a complete guide to creative mapmaking’s history, process and inspiration by John Roman

Children’s books of interest!

Map Mania by Michael A. DiSpezio, Illustrated by Dave Garbot

Mapping the World by Sylvia A. Johnson

Maps! by Andrew Haslam

Jill’s Picks

“The Map” in Complete Poems by Elizabeth Bishop

“Map” by Wisława Szymborska in MAP: collected and last poems

Maps of the Imagination: the writer as cartographer by Peter Turchi

A History of the World in 12 Maps by Jerry Brotton

Maphead: charting the wide, weird world of geography wonks by Ken Jennings

Plotted: a literary atlas by Andrew DeGraff

The Dictionary of Imaginary Places by Alberto Manguel and Gianni Guadalupi

Maps by Aleksandra Mizielińska and Daniel Mizieliński

Mapping Penny’s World by Loreen Leedy

Listener Picks

The Map Thief by Michael Blanding

The Natural World of Winnie-the-Pooh: a walk through the forest that inspired the Hundred Acre Wood by Kathryn Aalto

“Brief History of an Atlas” a poem by Jeffrey Harrison which appeared in The New Yorker

Places To See Maps!

The Mapparium

At the Boston Public Library: Women in Cartography: five centuries of accomplishments

At Mystic Seaport: Ships, Clocks & Stars: the quest for longitude

Fairy Tales on THE POINT!

Mindy Todd and I were joined this month by Vicky Titcomb of Titcomb’s Bookshop in East Sandwich, and we talked about fairy tales for young and old. From the Grimm Brothers to Bruno Bettelheim to Anne Rice’s erotic fairy tales! Fairy tales are no longer for children only! The show will be repeated tonight at 7:00 PM or listen online at http://www.capeandislands.org.

As I mentioned on the radio this morning, we could have done an entire show on just one fairy tale! There are so many spectacular books written about fairy tales, as well as the fairy tales themselves. You’ll see this particular list includes lots of titles that we did not have a chance to talk about this morning. An hour simply isn’t enough for a fairy tale discussion!

Vicky’s Picks

A Wild Swan: and other tales by Michael Cunningham

Briar Rose by Jane Yolen

The True Story of Hansel and Gretel by Louise Murphy

The Snow Child by Eowyn Ivey

The Sleeper and the Spindle by Neil Gaiman

After Alice and Mirror, Mirror by Gregory Maguire

Jill’s Picks

Grimm’s Fairy Tales, illustrated by Fritz Kredel

Anderson’s Fairy Tales, illustrated by Arthur Szyk

Fairy Tales from the Brothers Grimm: a new English version by Philip Pullman

The Bloody Chamber by Angela Carter (Included in Burning Your Boats: the collected short stories)

The Brothers Grimm Hansel and Gretel, edited & abridged by Martin West, illustrated by Sybille Schenker

Hansel & Gretel: a Toon Graphic retold by Neil Gaiman and illustrated by Lorenzo Mattotti

Fairy Tale Baking: more than 50 enchanting cakes, bakes, and decorations by Ramla Khan

The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty by Anne Rice writing as A. N. Roquelaure (part of The Sleeping Beauty Quartet)

The Uses of Enchantment: the meaning of importance of fairy tales by Bruno Bettelheim

The Greenwood Encyclopedia of Folktales & Fairy Tales edited by Donald Haase

Not Enough Time For:

Once Upon a Time: a short history of fairy tale by Marina Warner

The Annotated Hans Christian Andersen, edited with an introduction and notes by Maria Tatar

Transformations by Anne Sexton

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall: women writers explore their favorite fairy tales edited by Kate Bernheimer

The Wild Girl by Kate Forsyth. A novel about Dortchen Wild, who “told the Grimm brothers almost a quarter of all the tales in their first collections of fairy stories, when when was just nineteen years old.”

Index to Fairy Tales 1949-1972, including Folklore, Legends and Myths in Collections by Norma Olin Ireland

Listener Picks

Water Babies by Charles Kingsley

At the Back of the North Wind by George MacDonald

Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll

The Night Circus by Erin Morgenstern

Baba Yaga

Potluck on The Point with Mindy Todd!

This morning it was potluck on The Point with Mindy Todd, which meant we could bring anything that struck our fancy. I had lots of retro books, and Melanie was able to introduce us to another post-apocalyptic novel and a new genre for novels … clifi, for climate change fiction, a subset of lablit. If you want to reread Little Women, try Little Women: an annotated edition which was edited by Daniel Shealy. As it says in the introduction: “The textual history of Little Women provides valuable insight into the publishing world in the second half of the nineteenth century.” If that is just too big to lug to the beach, The Library of America has also come out with an Alcott volume, which includes Little Women, Little Men, and Jo’s Boys. The Library of America volumes always include great notes, and an attached bookmark!

Jill’s Picks

Perfectly Miserable: guilt, God and real estate in a small town by Sarah Payne Stuart

Grey Mask by Patricia Wentworth. (and all the other Miss Silver mysteries) While no CLAMS library owns a copy of Grey Mask it is available as a Kindle book, and there are many other Miss Silver mysteries available in the CLAMS network.

David Hockney: a bigger exhibition

The Hand of the Small Town Builder: Vernacular Summer Architecture in New England, 1870-1935 by W. Tad Pfeffer

Virginia Woolf’s Garden: the story of the garden at Monk’s House by Caroline Zoob

The Bloomsbury Cookbook: recipes for life, love and art by Janes Ondaatje Rolls

Once Upon a Playground: a celebration of classic American playgrounds, 1920-1975 by Brenda Biondo

The Games We Played: the golden age of board & table games by Margaret K. Hofer

Melanie’s Picks

The Admiral by James R. Gilbert

The Last Ship by William Brinkley

Man on the Run: Paul McCartney in the 1970s by Tom Doyle

The Mockingbird Next Door: Life with Harper Lee by Marja Mills

The Skeleton Crew: How Amateur Sleuths are Solving America’s Coldest Cases by Deborah Halber

Do Not Sell at Any Price: The Wild, Obsessive Hunt for the World’s Rarest 78 rpm Records by Amanda Petrusich

Books Always Everywhere by Jane Blatt

Bats in the Band by Brian Lies

Wayfaring Stranger by James Lee Burke

The Sun Also Rises by The Hemingway Library Edition

Not mentioned but worth it:

Travels with Casey by Benoit Denizet-Lewis

Boston and the Civil War: Hub of the Second Revolution by Barbara F. Berenson

Authorisms: Words Wrought by Writers by Paul Dickson

Listener Picks

Carol Chittenden of Eight Cousins Books recommended The Misadventures of the Family Fletcher by Dana Levy

The Point Picks for 2011

Today on The Point with Mindy Todd we talked about the books we most loved in 2011, and the books we looked forward to reading in 2012.

Listener Picks

The Summer of the Bear by Bella Pollen

A Monster Calls: a novel by Patrick Ness; inspired by an idea from Siobhan Dowd; illustrations by Jim Kay

The Cat’s Table by Michael Ondaatje via e-mail. Mindy didn’t have time to get to this one.

“Arresting book. What a fluid relationship this writer has between the mind and the hand penning just the right word and phrase. This contained story take splace on sea voyage taken by an eleven year old child who observes and later recalls everything that goes on in that small world the ship represents. This is partly autobiographical, but the point is the writing; Ondaatje’s is brilliant no matter the topic.”

Jill’s Favorite Books Read in 2011

Before Lunch by Angela Thirkell. You can read the article that started me reading Angela Thirkell here.

Await Your Reply by Dan Chaon

The Hair of Harold Roux by Thomas Williams

Higher Gossip: essays and criticism by John Updike, edited by Christopher Carduff

As Meat Loves Salt by Maria McCann

Why We Broke Up by Daniel Handler, with art by Maira Kalman

Sodom and Gomorrah by Marcel Proust (an ongoing project for me)

Jill’s Picks for 2012

Believing the Lie by Elizabeth George

When I Was a Child I Read Books: Essays by Marilynne Robinson

Why Be Happy When You Could Be Normal? By Jeanette Winterson

11/22/63 by Stephen King

The Prisoner and The Fugitive by Marcel Proust

More of Angela Thirkell’s Barsetshire Novels

Quotation on sleep by Proust:

“Every night perhaps, we accept the risk of experiencing, while we sleep, sufferings that we consider to be null and void because they will be endured only in the course of a sleep that we believe is without consciousness. In fact, on the evenings when I returned home late from La Raspelière, I was very sleepy. But as soon as the cold weather arrived, I was unable to get to sleep right away, because the fire was so bright it was as if a lamp had been lit. It had only flared up, however, and – as with a lamp, or daylight when dusk falls – its too bright light was not long in dying down; and I entered into sleep, which is like a second apartment that we have, into which, abandoning our own, we go in order to sleep. It has its own system of alarms, and we are sometimes brought violently awake there by the sound of a bell, heard with perfect clarity, even though no one has rung. It has its servants, its particular visitors who come to take us out, so that, just when we are ready to get up, we are obliged to recognize, by our almost immediate transmigration into the other apartment, that of our waking hours, that the room is empty, that no one has come. The race that inhabits it, like that of the earliest humans, is androgynous. A man there will appear a moment later in the aspect of a woman. Objects have the ability to turn into men, and men into friends or enemies. The time that elapses for the sleeper, in sleep of this kind, is utterly different from the time in which a waking man’s life transpires. Its passage may now be far more rapid, a quarter of an hour seeming like a whole day; or at other times much longer, we think we have just dozed off, and have slept right through the day. And then, on sleep’s chariot, we descend into depths where the memory can no longer keep pace with it, and where the mind stops short and is forced to turn back.”

Marcel Proust

Sodom and Gomorrah

Translated by John Sturrock

Melanie’s Picks

Fiction:

The Troubled Man by Henning Mankell

Caleb’s Crossing by Geraldine Brooks

Autobiography of Mrs. Tom Thumb by Melanie Benjamin

Feast Day of Fools by James Lee Burke

Zone One by Colson Whitehead

Nonfiction:

Under Cape Cod Water by Ethan Daniels

The Triple Agent by Joby Warrick

Why Read Moby-Dick? by Nathaniel Philbrick

Midnight Rising by Tony Horwitz

Arguably by Christopher Hitchens

Unbroken Laura Hillenbrand

Washington: A Life by Ron Chernow

Local:

Perspectives on the Provincetown Art Colony by Deborah Forman

Cape Cod and the Civil War: The Raised Right Arm by Stauffer Miller

Kids

A Crow in Grandma’s Kitchen by Julia Whorf Kelly

My Side of the Car by Kate Feiffer

The Little Black Dog Has Puppies by J.B. Spooner

Do You Know Which Ones Will Grow by Susan Shea

Riding on Duke’s Train by Mick Carlon

The Tinsel Tail Mouse by Ken Boyd

The Curious Case of Misquotation

Update 5/18/2020

Yes, here we are in the middle of a pandemic, but we never stop looking for an author to this quote.  Turns out we are not the only ones to investigate who  might have said “It is never too late to be what you might have been.” According to  Garson O’Toole, author of Hemingway Didn’t Say That: The Truth Behind Familiar Quotations George Eliot was also said to be the author of these words. Turns out LOTS of people have possibly said this quote. You can read his complete article here. Many thanks to Garson O’Toole for all of his work.

Update 1/05/17

Happy New Year all you F. Scott Fitzgerald and Brad Pitt fans! I just wanted to share with you the most recent sharing of this post which was with two fellows who appear to be living in New Zealand. You can read their blog entry on Fitzgerald and Pitt here. As they write: “The above quote is a quote from the movie adaption of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, even though F.Scott Fitzgerald gets a lot of the credit.” Thanks Wayne and Jackson for taking the time to correct the record. This librarian salutes you both!

Update 11/07/14: We have gotten more responses to this blog entry, than any other blog entry we have ever written. The most recent commenter writes: “It’s from a letter Fitzgerald wrote to his daughter, Scottie.” I just looked through Scott Fitzgerald’s Letters to His Daughter, and I couldn’t find any such quotation. Although there are some lovely tidbits of advice! Here is one such tidbit, as he asks his daughter about the man that interested her when she was eighteen. The letter is dated August 24, 1940.:

“You haven’t given me much idea of __________. Would he object to your working—outside the house I mean? Excluding personal charm, which I assume, and the more conventional virtues which go with success in business, is he his own man? Has he any force of character? Or imagination and generosity? Does he read books? Has he any leaning toward the arts and sciences or anything beyond creature comfort and duck-shooting? In short, has he the possibilities of growth that would make a lifetime with him seem attractive? These things don’t appear later—they are either there latently or they will never be there at all.”

ORIGINAL POST

Heavens to Murgatroyd, I’ve come across another faux quotation on the Internet. Actually in this case, it was actually a quotation that a friend of mine posted (not knowing putting up faux quotations in front of a Reference Librarian is like putting a red flag in front of a bull). Trouper that she is, she was happy to correct the attribution once I explained the details.

This was the quote as she wrote it:

“For what it’s worth: it’s never too late or, in my case, too early to be whoever you want to be. There’s no time limit, stop whenever you want. You can change or stay the same, there are no rules to this thing. We can make the best or the worst of it. I hope you make the best of it. And I hope you see things that startle you. I hope you feel things you never felt before. I hope you meet people with a different point of view. I hope you live a life you’re proud of. If you find that you’re not, I hope you have the strength to start all over again.”

And it was attributed to F. Scott Fitzgerald.

Well, it didn’t sound exactly like F. Scott Fitzgerald to me, so I thought I’d investigate. As it turned out my friend believed that it was a quotation from Fitzgerald’s short story “The Curious Case of Benjamin Button”. Happily we had a copy of the short story on the shelf … no such quotation in the story.

So … where else might it be? Well, I knew there had been a movie, and I found a copy of the screenplay. Here is the quotation I found:

“For what it’s worth … it’s never too late, or in my case too early, to be whoever you want to be. There’s no time limit. Start whenever you want. You can change or stay the same. There are no rules to this thing. We can make the best or the worst of it. I hope you make the best of it. I hope you see things that startle you. I hope you feel things you never felt before. I hope you meet people who have a different point of view. I hope you live a life you’re proud of, and if you’re not, I hope you have the courage to start all over again.”

The screenplay for the film was written by a fellow named Eric Roth, so I think it is safe to say that he wrote these lines. (Although my favorite attribution of the quote is Brad Pitt … because he said the lines, so he must have written them? ) You’ll notice there are some differences between even these two quotations … the most significant being the word strength substituted for the word courage. But guess what … Brad Pitt actually says the word strength when he says the line … so did he make the change or did someone on the set make the change? Even with a straightforward quote, there seem to always be questions. Want to see Brad Pitt say the lines? You can see that on Youtube.

Just another cautionary tale … don’t believe everything you read on the Internet! (And if you want to read about a faux E. B. White quotation you can read my blog entry here.)

Scary Books on The Point

Scary books was today’s topic on The Point with Mindy Todd on WCAI. Remember if you missed it, you can hear it tonight at 7:30 or listen to the podcast online.

“Horror is not a genre, like the mystery or science fiction or the western. It is not a kind of fiction meant to be confined to the ghetto of a special shelf in the ghetto of libraries or bookstores … horror is an emotion.”

–Douglas E. Winter in the introduction to Prime Evil

“Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall down the sewer and die. Horror is when you return from the dead and haunt me for laughing at your nasty trip down that sewer.”

–June Pulliam’s embellishment upon an old saw

Melanie’s Picks

General interest:

Horror! 333 Films to Scare You to Death byJames Marriott and Kim Newman

Houses of Horror Hans Holzer

Classic horror:

The War of the Worlds by H.G. Wells

The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories ed. by Chrstine Bernard (especially “Green Fingers,” “The Specialty of the House” and “The Academy,” but all are good)

[Alas, no one in CLAMS has a copy of The Third Fontana collection, but you can read “The Specialty of the House” in the book The Mystery Hall of Fame : an anthology of classic mystery and suspense stories. The same story is also available in the collection: Murder on the Menu.]

The Tell-Tale Heart and Other Writings by Edgar Allan Poe (Bantam Classic)

Hawthorne: Selected Tales and Sketches or any collection of short fiction

Scary for what they’re about:

Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities

Edith Wharton, Ethan Frome

Upton Sinclair The Jungle

Elie Wiesel Night

Readers can also search for Top 10 and Top 100 lists of good horror books.  I found the “Horror Reading List” at the Horror Writers Assocation, horror.org

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Jill’s Picks

Hooked on Horror: a guide to reading interest in horror fiction by Anthony Fonseca & June Pulliam

We Need to Talk About Kevin by Lionel Shriver

The Bad Seed by William March

Burning Your Boats: the collected short stories by Angela Carter (particularly “The Fall River Axe Murders” & “The Bloody Chamber”)

Dracula’s Guest: a connoisseur’s collection of Victorian vampire stories edited by Michael Sims

Vampire Stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Scary Stories illustrated by Barry Moser (includes “Man overboard” by Winston Churchill)

The Haunting of Hill House by Shirley Jackson

False Memory by Dean Koontz (includes haiku!)

The Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman

Half-Minute Horrors edited by Susan Rich

And you can find Neil Gaiman’s idea for giving a scary book on halloween on his blog, which also includes some other great scary author suggestions! And if you want lots more horror suggestions, stop by the Horror World web page which reviews new horror fiction.

The Point Reading List … books featuring foreign lands

Here are today’s reading lists. As always you can hear the repeat at 7:30 p.m. on WCAI or listen to the podcast online.

Patron Suggestions

The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society by Mary Ann Shaffer & Annie Barrows.

In a Far Country : the true story of a mission, a marriage, a murder, and the remarkable reindeer rescue of 1898 by John Taliaferro. (I’ll make sure we order a copy!)

Jill’s Suggestions

China: 3,000 Years of Art and Literature edited by Jason Steuber

Healing Spaces: the science of place and well-being by Esther M. Sternberg

Swann’s Way by Marcel Proust (translated by Lydia Davis)

Paintings in Proust: a visual companion to In Search of Lost Time by Eric Karpeles

Darling Jim by Christian Moerk

Ocean Wide, Ocean Deep by Susan Lendroth, illustrations by Raul Allen (picture book)

The Way of Herodotus: travels with the man who invented history by Justin Marozzi

Caravans by James A. Michener

My Name is Red by Orhan Pamuk

Three books I didn’t get a chance to mention:

Eiffel’s Tower and the World’s Fair Where Buffalo Bill Beguiled Paris, the Artists Quarreled, and Thomas Edison Became a Count by Jill Jonnes

Dreaming in Hindi: coming awake in another language by Katherine Russell Rich

Previous Convictions: assignments from here and there by A. A. Gill (Includes a chapter on Edward Hopper which talks about Cape Cod.)

Melanie’s Suggestions

The Archivist’s Story by Travis Holland

However Tall the Mountain: A Dream, Eight Girls & a Journey Home by Awista Ayub

Tomato Rhapsody by Adam Schell

Baking Cakes in Kigali by Gaile Parkin

The Ayatollah Begs to Differ: The Paradox of Modern Iran by Hooman Majd

Evil for Evil: A Billy Boyle World War II Mystery by James R. Benn

And she would have mentioned, but ran out of time: Strength in What Remains by Tracy Kidder